Dismantling Power Imbalances in Counseling with Natalie Jovanic - Episode 64

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron welcomes trauma counselor and anti-oppression coach Natalie Jovanic. They discuss the importance of dismantling systemic barriers in counseling, the role of privilege in inclusion, and how performative allyship hinders progress. Natalie shares personal experiences as a non-binary immigrant and insights on fostering meaningful inclusivity. The conversation explores actionable steps for allies, the challenges of cultural adaptation, and the need for ongoing self-reflection. Listeners are encouraged to expand their perspectives by engaging with marginalized voices and committing to long-term learning rather than surface-level diversity efforts.

Key Takeaways:

Anti-Oppression Counseling – True inclusion in therapy requires dismantling systemic power imbalances and adjusting practices for marginalized clients.

Beyond Performative Allyship – Attending a workshop isn't enough; real change demands consistent action and self-reflection.

Privilege Awareness – Inclusion starts with acknowledging one's own privileges and their impact on others.

Expanding Perspectives – Engaging with marginalized communities through books, social media, and direct interactions deepens understanding.

Cultural Adaptation – Moving across countries and identities reveals different layers of exclusion and inclusion challenges.

Natalie’s definition of inclusion:

Inclusion is the intentional and ongoing process of creating spaces where individuals from marginalized communities feel genuinely welcomed, valued, and empowered to contribute meaningfully. It ensures that everyone, regardless of their identity, has a voice in decision-making processes and equitable access to opportunities. At its core, inclusion is a continuous journey of learning, unlearning, and adapting. It requires us to reflect on and challenge our biases, address systemic barriers, and foster mutual respect and collaboration. True inclusion also means dismantling hierarchies of privilege and power to build environments where all voices, especially those historically silenced, are heard and respected. By doing so, we co-create a world where marginalized communities actively shape decisions, and their perspectives drive meaningful change.

Natalie’s Bio:

Natalie Jovanic is a trauma counsellor and resilience coach who works with individuals worldwide to support their healing from trauma and loss. Their integrative approach combines parts work therapy, somatic techniques, EMDR, and anti-oppressive practices to help clients regain control of their lives. Natalie is committed to helping people heal, believing firmly that healing is possible regardless of past experiences. They also collaborate with leaders to foster healthy, inclusive workplaces.

Natalie is the author of the memoir "A Brave True Story," where they share their personal journey of healing from childhood abuse, and the host of the podcast "Trauma Demystified."

Connect with Natalie:

Website: https://brighthorizontherapies.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BrightHorizonTherapies

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/brighthorizontherapies/

Podcast: https://traumademystified.buzzsprout.com/2242569

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliejovanic/

Buy Book: https://amzn.to/3QkMI0K

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